O’Neill has been falsely telling his listener’s that Albert Einstien, the eminent scientist was a believer in God. This is a false claim and a wrong conclusion about Einstein’s belief. It is a falsehood because Einstein never claimed that he believed in the Biblical God. Such a belief would have meant believing in the story of “creation” as told in the Book of Genisis. Albert Einstien never subscribed to such stories or for that matter any other stories about this God of Abraham.
Mis-characterization of scientists in the world of belief is fairly common. Believers are often told that Scientists are “soulless” people with no imagination. The opposite is true. The scientist have a lot of imagination. At least Einstien most certainly did. Creativity is what makes a scientist human. Einstien must have loved exotic poetry because he often read stanzas translated into English from the Bhagavad Gita.
Now, there are some “scientists” who are Christians or claim they believe in a personal God. Einstien was certainly not one of them. As a human, Einstein marveled at the universe. The infinite nature of life did not escape Einstein. As all true scientist understand, the mysteries of life’s phenomenon are infinite. This awe of Einstein is misconstrued, quite deliberately, by preachers like O’Neill to inviegle believers, who do not quite understand science or the scientific mind.
Note, however, there is a world of difference between a believer’s “awe” of God and a Einstien’s “awe” of natural phenomenon. The big difference is that scientists understands the “gaps” of human knowledge but never allows such “gaps” to be filled by the non-answer called God. Whereas for the believer “God” fills in every gap.
Therefore, to assert that Einstein believed in “god” the same way as an evangelical does is a blatantly wrong conclusion.
For Ernest O’Neill, however, that important distinction does not matter. A mere expression of “god” is enough for O’Neill to convince him that Einstein was a “believer.” (Or had O’Neill personally met Einstein he would have convinced him of the “reality” of god!)
Despite plenty of evidence to the contrary, O’Niell continues to falsely claim that Einstein belief in “God” parallels that of a Christian.
Some quotes from Einstien:
I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)
I believe in Spinoza’s God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. (Albert Einstein)
A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty – it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man. (Albert Einstein)
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EXPOSING Rev. "PASTOR" ERNEST O'NEILL 
Hi Kush K,
I’d pretty much forgotten about O’Neill until having a “whatever happened to” conversation with a friend last week. So I googled him and found your site.
I quit going to campus church around 1980 so missed a lot of the crash and burn. I worked for Fish enterprises for a while around 1973-1974 somewhere and at that time it was fun, but I had better opportunities somewhere else. Looking back, the business model of paying slave labor wages and hoping for some kind of business miracle is a dumb plan doomed to failure.
Hope things are going ok.
dino
Hello Dean: Thank you for taking the time and writing. I have been so taken by other work that have not been able to devote as much time to exposing O’Neill.
However, in this short time of little over a year, I have heard from very interesting people like you who at one time were “insiders.”
I came to know the group in India in 1976, and did not join until 1980 when I went to England. The business model (if at all it can be called a model!) was the same over there. A group of us lived in the same house. Left for work early morining in the same car or van and came back the same time. Cooking duties were rotated. And for all that labor we were paid a big weekly salary of 7 British Pounds (Wow!). But what did I care, I was certain that I was being cared for by the higher power!
The Garden Restaurant in England and the small fruit shop barely broke even. Needless to say that if Fish had to pay us the going market rate in wages, the business could not have functioned financially for even a month. O’Neill had no problemswith this slave business model. He visited England at least twice or more a year. However, did not stay at the house for more than a night. He would stay at an undisclosed location or make the excuse that he is off to Ireland. Myron Kliewer, the elder, who is still incharge of London operations, was the guy who kept all the bank books and knew what actually was going on. Later they bought this old mansion, and I guess all the xtra money went to the house’s mortgage. To this day it has not been disclosed as to who has the title to that London mansion in Pottersbar.
The next step is to write him a paper letter and send it over to him and his enablers. To this day this man has not apologized to anyone for his inhuman conduct. Although, legally it does not do any good but morally speaking I believe we can still ask for an accounting. At least he will die knowing that he could not fool everyone.
Anyway, where are you now and what did you do after leaving Fish?
Regards,
Kush K
DEAN’S REPLY: SEPTEMBER 24, 2009
Dean Lindberg to me
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Hi Kushy,
I worked for Fish here in Minneapolis Minnesota for maybe around 1 1/2 to 2 years. I was an art major and recent college graduate. A friend and I talked Fish into having an art department and I built a pottery studio and sold pottery at art fairs and stuff. My friend was (still is) an excellent fine art painter. The art division didn’t work out that well, but we sure had fun. I quit Fish because a band I played in was trying to make it in the entertainment business and the band members wanted me to move to their town which is about 40 miles north of Minneapolis.
During the time I worked at Fish the main moneymaker became selling decopauge plaques that were (in my view anyway) totally shitty looking things. My friend had to paint crappy little pictures of big eyed cutesy children and mushrooms and flowers that kind of junk which were then duplicated and mounted on those plaques. For a while it looked like my friend Joel Lewis and I would also have to join other Fish members in selling the plaques door-to-door, but somehow or other we got out of having to do that.
The Art people all lived together for a few months in a restored mansion/art gallery which was a total blast. Every night we’d have dinner together and the group was full of people with great senses of humor, and every night at dinner was a total laugh riot. Fish bought that mansion/gallery for one dollar, but then found out it was $50,000 in debt so that why it didn’t last very long.
After the mansion/gallery thing fell apart, Fish rented some space in a warehouse type building and I put the pottery studio together. There was also a little studio making leather goods, sandals and purses and stuff and the decopauge operation in the space.
I never went to England or did any traveling for Fish. I know some people thought it was really cool to go to England or Amsterdam and stuff but for me it was always about doing my thing making pots. I came up with an idea that they should make a professional pottery studio and mass produce stuff. They liked the idea, but I left Fish before before setting that up and it never happened.
I went to Campus Church for a few years after I quit Fish, but eventually I stopped because sleeping in on Sundays was so nice. So I never experienced some of the bad stuff that happened because I was long gone by that time.
Go ahead and post this on your site if you want. It would be cool to see other people’s memories posted too.
Oh, after Fish I played in our band for about 1 1/2 years, then freelanced for an animation studio for a while and then got hired and worked there 12 years. After that I’ve been a freelance illustrator and animator.
So that’s my story!
Dean